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Chinese Wind Power Plant Coming to U.S. Soil [View article]
Chinese Wind Power Plant Coming to U.S. Soil [View article]
I do not know if Pickens has any relationship to the Shenyang project in Texas.
On Nov 19 11:47 AM robert.b.ferguson wrote:
> I'm sure that most of you have heard of the "Pickens plan." (www.pickensplan.org)
> which is based on large scale wind power generation. He has done
> the home work if you want to look at his site. John: Greetings. Do
> you know if this project is in conjunction with the Pickens project
> or a competitor? In any event the obstacles are great and unless
> oil goes above $120 PBL it's on shaky ground. As noted by others
> here there are many other options available and fossil fuels for
> transport aren't going away any time soon.
Chinese Wind Power Plant Coming to U.S. Soil [View article]
I am pleased to benefit from the discussion of so many knowledgeable people. One topic that no one has discussed is the use of storage technology to capture peak production from wind. Storage can be mechanical, hydro head, thermal, capacitive or chemical. There may be uses for variable generation systems other than direct connection to the grid.
I agree with commenters that nuclear power should have an increased share of grid attached generation, but my impression is that its higher cost will probably keep it from a dominant position. However, combustion based generation costs are missing externalities which make the true costs there higher than the cost recognized today.
Chinese Wind Power Plant Coming to U.S. Soil [View article]
If I use your effective power of 200 MW and a 20 year life, I get the generation cost of power at about $0.043 per kwh for an average of 24 hours a day of operation and $0.086 per kwh if the average is only 12 hours a day. It doesn't seem that these numbers would require a permanent government subsidy. If you are knowledgeable in this area your comment on this would be appreciated.
On Nov 18 06:13 PM Davewmart wrote:
> Well done Mr Lounsbury! This must be just about the first article
> on wind power that I have read that has got it right on how many
> homes a given installation would power, as you have allowed for the
> wind not blowing all the time.
> It's worth pointing out though that the costs of wind without subsidy
> are very large, as the 600MW installation for $1.5bn is going to
> produce on average maybe 200MW. That's around $7.5bn/GW, and on top
> of that when demand peaks in the summer wind power is at it's lowest.
>
> Wind power is all about Government subsidy, rather than an economic
> business.